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race i'll tell you and it's a daily take. this morning president obama unveiled a comprehensive list of proposals to help combat the epidemic of gun violence in america some of the main legislative proposals included requiring criminal background checks on all gun sales including private sales and strengthening penalties for gun trafficking president obama's also pushing a new assault weapons ban limiting ammunition magazines to ten rounds he will also pursue a series of twenty three executive actions these actions include stricter prosecution of would be gun buyers who fail background checks as well as new requirements for federal law enforcement to track guns that are recovered in criminal investigations are also provisions to encourage doctors to act as their patients about gun ownership and report threats of violence made by their patients to law enforcement officials after revealing the various proposals the president was quick to note

that overall gun safety can't be enhanced without support and help from the american public as well take a look. i also believe most gun owners agree that we can respect the second amendment while keeping an irresponsible law breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. i believe most of them agree that if america worked harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in newtown president also called on americans to stand up to pro gun rights groups like the n.r.a. . the only way we will be able to change is if their audience their constituents their membership says this time must be different. so it is a new assault weapons ban have a chance of passing congress and the republicans continue putting the interests of the gun lobby ahead of american lives let's ask tonight's alone liberal although i

guess they are adam bitly editor in chief at right now at wright daily and horace cooper conservative commentator and senior fellow at the national center for public policy research welcome to both of you so. let me get that first of all. i think the over the n.r.a. kind overstepped i mean right in the middle of this ad there's this question where the n.r.a. says why does the president get this or his kids when others don't and i'm yelling at the t.v. going because he gets death threats every days that play again president but you know apparently the n.r.a. didn't get that let me just show you these. are the president's kids more important than yours then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools we use kids are protected by armed guards in their schools mr obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes but he's just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security protection for their kids and gun free so. so

here we go attacking the president's kids i mean isn't that appalling this absolutely it's right on target it demonstrates now what happened to luke absolutely of this presidency if he wants us to have a dialogue why don't you talk to the record number of americans the join the n.r.a. this month one of the talk for the record number of these are going to should who are running you're changing the subject let me ask you a really simple question if you were getting four five six serious death threats today if in the last four years there have been eight serious conspiracies to murder horace cooper if that had been broken up by the f.b.i. would you not consider and you had the means to do it would you not consider having an armed guard for yourself in your kids absolutely that's the freedom of the second amendment allows that he doesn't want to allow for others if i find out on my own and i determine that that's a threat i should have the right to take the precautions he. gave me that well now

you certainly can have an armed guard for your kids you know but not to disable my buddy it's a gun free zone if you if you're getting death threats you send your kids to a school that does have armed guards all kinds of private schools and the liberal in the in the limousine is going to pick them up and take them to that new school and cover all of the two we should do ok so the bottom line is you think that that the best way to protect our children is you're actually buying into this thing wayne la pierre i'd have gone nuts with guns at our schools to protect our kids from gun nuts you were letting all those bureaucratic methods teach i'm willing to at least allow a few people who own guns and who understand the seriousness of them to use them properly but i believe the problem is individuals ought to be free to make the determination do they need a firearm to protect themselves or not i do not believe big brother in washington ought to make that decision or firearm with a thirty shot clip if that's what they determine they need then that's what they need to emulate me as long as they're not a mental incompetent will that the ten shot number two is just kind of arbor. truly

thrown out there and the other thing to look at here on the ten shuttle hold most almost it says tolls that let's finish this have nine shots more than the chamber think about this for a second what we're talking about is preventing another sandy hook that's what this is all about this is why not necessarily that it's preventing another this there's twenty or thirty of in a row that have been going on ok so joe biden just happened the former committee at the president's backing back in december because of something else not related to say because because we have seen because we have not want to fight in times more nonviolence in this country than any other country on this earth that is your guns are a very serious matter but it is immature to suggest that what came out today would even prevent another stay in the heart of course it's not going to if we did nothing to protect children let's start but that process was all done why did he bring children out on stage. because it gives a manipulator exactly he's far aim with using children but if you run an ad and

mention children oh we're going to single you out and his children and his children he gives them private schooling that he doesn't give the district of columbia children opportunities these children in the end there's always a kids without a parent there is that i will be cut that it is there just all these things suggested is that american kids should be given the security security that they also have an option both of you are absolutely united in opposing any of these very rational steps of saying that weapons of war should be on the battlefield and not in our cities you guys are fighting with weapons of war our cities i don't even understand what you described it sounds to me like if i take a firearm and dress it up in some hollowing costumes suddenly that's a scary weapon of war the i don't know anybody who hunts with an ar fifteen do you actually i do know people that particular weapon is multifaceted and capable of doing a number of things you can be a monkey to go fifty rounds out to take out a deer you don't have to shoot multiple times to get it with the first shot but the

point is for us to go friends are you know they are the dogs. mitt doesn't get to tell me what weapon i want to use if i want to go on telling you what weapon you want to use since the founding of this republic you can't own a battleship you can't own a cannon you can't own a surface to air missile you can't own a machine gun and you want to take it all the way to its conclusion that you can't i want to get to the logical conclusion that if somebody if somebody needs a gun for self defense if somebody needs a gun warm or cold blooded murder you get to decide on what a gun. good morning you to get to decide that i say that we have a zone for self-defense we the people determine with we the people. ask and i meant it to guarantee that we the people have a broader zone of operation and freedom then you'd like to see a second amendment was put into place in order to in order to have well regulated a little the wishes at an illegal act it's still the families from the declaration of independence as surveillance from the king george's policy if you can i mean

seven hundred fifty seven law in the state of georgia that there would be a well regulated militia in the georgia state the georgia statutes require patrols of the direction of commission militia officers to examine every plantation each month and authorize them to quote search all negro houses for offensive weapons and ammunition and quote and apprehended give twenty lashes to any slave plantation grounds that's just the beginning of it then patrick henry goes into the virginia ratifying convention weapons and. for obvious reasons because they were slaves a big competitor had goes into the maginot to radicalise into july and demand a second amendment the second amendment as he says if our country be invaded a state may go to war but cannot suppress slave insurrections under this new constitution without the second amendment if there is what if there should happen to be an insurrection of slaves the country cannot be said to be invaded they cannot therefore suppress it without the position of congress congress and congress alone and this constitution can call forth the militia in this state patrick henry

said there are two it was to. two hundred thirty six thousand blacks and there are many in several other states but there are a few in the northern states may congress not say that every black man must fight did we not see this in the last war because people were liberated the last war we we were not so hard as to make emancipation general but acts of assembly passed that every slave who goes into the army should be free this was an opposition by the southern states the second amendment the militias were slave patrols in those states that's how slavery was in force in the police states of the south and that's what the second amendment was all about no absolutely not you got it completely wrong i think i'm the only person in the building that's taught constitutional law the fourteenth amendment was adopted and one of the measures that the supporters present it was they wanted to guarantee that the second amendment right applied to all the blacks the same way that it applied to all the whites its purpose was to slavery was a liberal so the purpose of the second amount of slaves in past so long really not know you're making my pavel's honestly not the second amendment's purpose was clear

and that was to undo the fact that the king george was allowed to confiscate at will anyone's weapons in the jurisdiction of those who know what it is that it is through exempt them from being able to fight back if they disagreed with his taxes or any of his policies we want to delay the serving our own government could not do that i mean quote again this is patrick henry speaking at the virginia ratification convention right seven hundred eighty nine and they're debating virginia was the key vote whether or not there could discuss issues going to be put into place and he was demanding an amendment that allowed his state to maintain a militia for the purposes of the slave patrols he said they will search that paper the constitution and see if they have the power of manumission of freeing the slaves and have they not sir had they not the power to provide for the general defense and welfare may they not and then it goes on think that they this calls for the abolition of slavery may they not pronounce all slaves free and will they not be warranted by that power this is no ambiguous implication or low. logical

deduction the paper the constitution speaks to the point that they have the power in clear unequivocal terms and they will certainly exercise it and that's only going to demonstrate exactly the point if you free black men and give them the power to have the second amendment it means that there was some inherent power and privilege associated it with it that is a privilege that it applies to everyone now that is a novel new interpretation that you just this is over actually you can't harm and you cannot find mainstream scholars who say that the second amendment was a little played seniors conversation right after this more of a nice long liberal rumble right after the break. the worst journalistic. white house of a. radio guy for a minute. what. did you never seen anything like this i'm told.

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what about the lone liberal rumble joining me tonight out of bitly horace cooper let's get back to it tuesday house democrats introduce the public option deficit reduction at this is so cool the part of the gods of the deficit reduction in one sentence which would give consumers the ability to opt into it into a government run health insurance plan in the obamacare exchanges bill sponsored congresswoman jan schakowsky said of the bill quote the public option deficit reduction act will give health care consumers more choices and lower their premiums and by providing a low cost alternative to private insurance it would put pressure on all insurers to lower their premiums in order to compete so is in the public option the best way to lower health care costs the united states at no why not we are already at a point where we're looking at a bill to fix a problem that's already been created as we saw law just this week democrats and

republicans in the in congress are faced with having to update the mandate because as it stands they're not going to be able to get enough money to fully fund the system that they've already so let's toss the public option in there it's going to be less expense is the ready is forcing or when the make a purchase and it's not working people are not going to buy in the amount that they expected they're saying there is in the h.h.s. right now they're sitting there baffled why will people buy this product why won't they because there's a lot of people that just don't need it don't need health care. a lot of free riders is what. riders are really good ways and used to call it all that just don't require it and they're never going to ever have and i also sit at a later point when you're a leg when you get hit by a bus that's when you're going to call and say hey i'd like to buy actually as of the new law that's exactly how it works that is that obamacare plate and that seems rather dysfunctional for us this is doubling down on ok everyone looks at our. our

debt and deficit problem and we know that they come from entitlements so the solution how about creating an additional meal or data types of problems and i made them from our little appropriated funds of course it is they have to learn is that i bet they were a few words they were on the credit card to earlier our medicare part d. put on the credit card a trillion dollars in about eight minutes ago it being a bad thing i mean i don't yet know what you're looking at if i know that we absolutely agree medicare part d. which says that the government may not negotiate with drug companies they have to pay the full five dollars a bill for asking what is fair as it's about what it costs yes and yes it was another billion dollars a year to add to the pharmaceutical company down is a no vote and ribbon republican thing that was a lot about the way the system you trust the organization already designed the floor player plan that you just said was dysfunctional i just shook your hand i am it's really hope to learn spirit means what i say yes i am she wants more they even done it once i am trusting the united states and even the organization that you

guys would trust to put people to death i'm trust i do not trust them to put anyone that i gave you know i would for i am for i don't. know you know we haven't we have a different difference of opinion here so i do i trust the organization that horsford trust what people do to be able to keep people alive and i bet laughable and well you know ask ask anybody who's been in the military ask them how tri-care works people with ice work on capitol hill we got a little with me of complaints about the marvel of government health care in the military context you want to take that and you want to give that to everybody at a much higher matter rating from its customers than do any of the fans but more probably order to say oh. why not have even joyce why are you guys anti choice anti choice joins you know your posts are you know not she has one of the virus laws and we don't have a private government health care but their government presence is so severe we

don't even have. i have one of the real code that says stephen jay hensley who took it took a billion dollars in aid from united health care you don't think that's a private i want to pro-choice health care system i don't want to have to pay the bills and if i don't want to be nice republican i don't want to have to pay it you don't have to buy it if you don't have them if you get the job done you know pellets of obamacare bullshit health care company you know pay good governance we're going to jail you know if the user is on the you know if you will run jails and on the books you will say they will never ever ever but you will have my own not someone who will say i saw they're not going to show my side of the case because you're part of our society you know you're going to see it what you are paying for is the is the risk premium as you get in an accident even though you progressive's never except the option of people to have freedom you remember and certainly when i was and never accept the option of all of us being in something together. that and yet in our brother's keeper what it means will be i'm sure you will so you know you don't either. of true have to be in it together or be it on

your own why can't you have that choice the only choice you allow is the course of one this. and that makes a mockery of joy that you have a choice. on an honest choice where you this is a bit by me what we are going to do as i always am not your life choices aerialist anyway this is the fundamental difference in fundamental difference or world views basically between the idea that it's all about the individual or the idea that it's all about society or there being some kind of middle ground which i'm advocating which is there's a million areas where we have individual freedom and there are areas really do protect the commons reality i don't want the guy sitting next to me prince at least let me finish a sentence was who i don't like to see the guy sitting next to me on the bus stop coughing because he's got to work ulos is because he doesn't have health care because he decided that he wanted to opt out. no. i hadn't been a no i have been enjoying responsibility in the progressive world it is remarkable

coercion and coercion urges. first you lose your i.q. out of june third worst to pay into health health insurance you are forced to pay social security forced to pay for medicare you go i know you that stop you i have no limit a madman i see no limiting principle is a poor government only more and more and more to take over from the individual right louisiana governor or the reverse robin hood's have returned bobby jindal now wants to make sure the people making the bottom eighty percent of people in louisiana actually see their taxes go up in the top one percent so the taxes go down as you'd expect yet there you go just the general wants to get reports of personal income and corporate taxes to replace them with a higher sales tax code into analysis by the is to taxation and economic policy as you see from this graph this plan will raise taxes on the poorest eighty percent of louisianans of cutting taxes for the top one percent to break it down the poorest twenty percent pay an extra three hundred ninety five dollars a year the middle twenty percent an extra five hundred thirty four dollars a year the richest one percent get twenty five thousand bucks back republicans in

north carolina virginia are also looking at doing the same thing this is wrong this is just plain old flat out wrong you guys are opposed to coordination it even say progressive taxation has been one of the worst ideas fostered on this country and it's time to let every american have some steam in the game if you want this service that you're going to pay for except if you're mitt romney and your other like them all make a choice what they're going to buy you know what it's going to do in louisiana what more louisianans are going to be concerned about what government is doing and wanting to limit it so they can sense what we're going to have it is the people who spend one hundred percent of their income are going to see our present their income taxed and the people in the mitt romney category who spend maybe ten percent or five percent of their incomes on the rest of it this was bank are going to see only five or ten percent their income tax and that's not reasonable that's not fair that's not that's not a fair program worst of all yeah if they're going to tax to the percentage of someone somewhere but i think to do that we as a nation if we are providing the infrastructure of the court system if we're not providing the currency if we're making a possible for you to make

a. levine yes about the absolute people make the decision that goes all should be paid one thousand people make a decision those people are not lining up at the polls going you know i really like this i really like this really make those decisions as calling judges are ok you're really going to want a trailer so i don't know a lot of juggling i don't want to go that what voter actually goes into the into the voting booth and votes on all the litany of things that you just suggested i think i think i think given that they were trying the two parties most of the most most voters actually are. over who the ratings are higher if he were up for reelection this year he'd be when he went in a landslide his party's going to gain seats in the legislature this idea is not going to cost him this idea is going to put him on the short list of people who are going to be talked about to run this country now if you tell me what he's doing is bad and you should be glad that he's trying to do it in louisiana so that he could get run out of town and he won't be such a fan of sales taxes let's take a step beyond that is that was bad. i'm

a fan of ending progressive taxation our income tax our capital gains tax policies or progressive taxes i personally would prefer a capitation tax everybody over eighteen years of age not in prison not in an infirmary would pay a set fee every citizen in the jurisdiction would pay the same so again mitt romney spent one percent of his income in taxes you are saying i don't care how in the beginning you lumped in north carolina virginia with that the virginia plan is actually. elimination of the gas tax which would save eighteen cents really eight hundred cents on every gallon does that not help the poor so the people as i you know be as i said maybe this is the gasoline companies the oil companies are going to go right on their external nobody's covering the their up and for the cost of that you know what the poor people have a polaroid not the answer here not so horrible or can our behavior a lot if after their own interests only the burger. no their interest and this was

the rhythm of the contest organisers it is about our society for gas oh that's what i just heard no that is not what i just argued what what i'm arguing is that if there are extra analogies that what you guys in your corporate bodies have got really good at is gaming the system so that the extra analyses are paid for by average working people and poor people and and the extra analogies like the cost of cancers that people get from from our burning gasoline or the cost of global warming from burning gasoline that those costs are never paid by exxon mobil and they never paid by mitt romney they're paid by the people who use gas right and when you guys all gather to conferences to talk about these things you're flying with corporate jets you drive in in limos and you drive in an s.u.v. i wish i didn't say you but the rest of the progressives when you get together to complain about all these things you don't ever say you're describing the koch brothers retreat so i don't have already know that you know of anyone who doesn't know there's a whole lot of these things happening in colorado that i see that are all the aspen

society all of these progressive activities that you get together and come up with you've succeeded once again completely changing the subject ok let me let's go back to tax yes everybody else about why the poor people should pay less gas tax richer and i absolutely believe that it is fair for every american to participate in the tax process and it doesn't matter how much you make whole high or how low that's not a disguised sound isn't as high sounding rhetoric is not you know this is the way this is the way the system ought to work to give everyone a responsibility and seen to it that we don't ask the government to do the things what you are superman is capable so you don't think that somebody who is who is earning well ok if you're all in favor of fairness and taxation and why do you think that why how would you support mitt romney and paris hilton pain only a maximum twenty percent income tax rate when i mean they're in there once when i still have lasting surgeon is paid at thirty nine percent i don't care how much money in to put people have what i care about. if they are person x.

rays are well i don't care let's settle right let's do away i was never on the loophole would you join me at my point i don't think it's going to fall in to do away with a right sex loophole if we can get down to zero one seven percent flat rate for everyone yeah sure so. that's that's like amplifying the mitt romney tax loophole so it's not everyone would pay the same so you're just lower tax rate you're no tax right but at when everyone's going to pay it so but so somebody is so you want somebody who's working at wal-mart as a greeter and can barely buy the cat food that they're eating you want them to pay extra tax maybe they won't be asking for entire you want to raise they won't write letters to say the least guy or god or maybe they won't be asking for the public option maybe they want to do in these kinds of things so that the economy grows or as a lever that i'm slightly i'll leave you with the last word thank you very much for the kids. coming up the phone lines are now open for our your take my take a live segment so if you want a chance to ask me a question live on the big picture give it give us a call to a tune i know for twenty one thirty four i got to talking with you after the.

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you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. not your asian day of the ball much more than a point about taking a closer look at president obama's second term be even more true and even more invasions of our privacy can end monday january twenty first as the exam and bottom line for the president only on a.